AGORA OF ATHENS · GATHERING 02 · SEP 2026

Preparing for
2030

A lakeside weekend of forecasts and arguments about the rest of the decade — capabilities, rates, GDP, open weights, labor, geography, states, and the physical limits underneath all of it. Top forecasters and sharp friends from across the country, working out how to get ready.

NOW 2030
Dates
Sep 10 – 13, 2026
Thursday → Sunday
Venue
Athens, NY
A lake house upstate
Admission
By invitation
Rooms are free

01 · The Retreat

The marketplace of ideas, moved to a lake.

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The Event

An intimate gathering of forecasters and kindred sharp minds, working through nine clusters of concrete questions about what the world looks like in 2030 — and how to be ready for it.

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The Venue

A quiet lake house in a peaceful lake community in Athens, NY. A calm place to think about a fast decade.

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The Format

Short talks, forecasting workshops, and long open conversation, plus swimming, campfires, and lake time. A discussion, not a slide deck.

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Register

By invitation. Email with your length of stay and any dietary restrictions. Rooms are free, so just get here.

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02 · The Question Board

Nine arguments we intend to actually finish.

Not themes: questions, with a right answer that we don't have yet. Each one is written so that two well-informed people can disagree and then discover which of them is wrong.

00 · The Through Line

What does "ready for 2030" even mean?

Before the particulars: if the current rate of change holds, what does it actually mean for a person, a group of friends, or a city to be ready for the end of the decade? Every question below branches off this one, and the test of a good weekend is whether anyone's answer to it changes.

01

The Frontier

What AI can actually do in 2030

Everything below is downstream of this one, and it is the question we are worst at. The frontier has been jagged in a specific direction: brilliant at the parts we thought were hard, hopeless at the parts nobody thought were parts.

  1. What can AI do in 2030 that it cannot do today? Name capabilities, not benchmark scores.

    A saturated benchmark tells you the benchmark is finished. It does not tell you the job is.

  2. Is it a math genius that still can't complete a NYC building permit correctly?

    The interesting failures aren't hard problems. They're tasks whose difficulty is context, paperwork, and knowing which of nine agencies signs off in which order.

  3. What's the better predictor of what stays hard: the reasoning a task demands, or the institutional trivia it demands?

  4. Which single capability, arriving next year, would move your timeline two years?

02

The Business Model

Open weights and proprietary

Two clocks: how long a frontier model stays ahead of the open weights chasing it, and how long it takes to earn back what it cost. The order they finish in decides the industry.

  1. Does the open-weight lag shrink faster than the payback period on a frontier training run?

  2. What's the first observable if it does: a lab skipping a generation, or a pivot away from per-token pricing?

  3. Does frontier training need to pay for itself through model access at all, or is it a loss-leader for internal automation?

03

The Statistics

GDP and measurement

The transformation and the number that is supposed to record it may have very little to do with each other.

  1. Conditional on AI being as transformative as the fast side thinks, what does measured real GDP per capita actually do?

  2. If the answer is "not much," what should we be forecasting instead?

    A forecast nobody can resolve is a mood. Name the series.

Starting position: The Jagged Boom ↗
04

The Bond Market

Rates and capital

If cheap intelligence is coming, the long end of the curve is the cleanest place it should show up first. It hasn't. Somebody in this argument is wrong.

  1. What do 10-year rates do over the next three years, and would a rise be about AI at all rather than deficits, oil, and the Fed?

  2. If we're right, why aren't long real rates already much higher? Who's wrong, us or the bond market?

  3. What friction specifically prevents long real rates from pricing this view, and what makes it persist?

05

The Paycheck

Labor

Aggregate employment can look fine while the ladder people climb to get there quietly disappears.

  1. Which sectors add jobs this decade, and which get hit hardest?

  2. Is the entry-level squeeze about AI, remote work, credential oversupply, or the rate cycle, and how would we tell?

  3. If AI takes the junior work, who pays to train the seniors we need in 2035?

    The output was cross-subsidizing the training, and no firm funds training whose returns walk to a competitor.

  4. What's the next data science: a job class smart people can retrain into in a year?

    Anyone who names a skill is betting the skill stays hard. Anyone who names a license is betting it doesn't.

Starting position: AI still isn't coming for your job ↗
06

The Map

Geographic winners and losers

The last technology boom concentrated its winnings in a few zip codes. This one automates the job those zip codes were built on, and its physical half needs land, power, and permission that those zip codes don't have.

  1. Does Silicon Valley become Detroit — developer unemployment in the industry that automated its own core job — or does it double down as the high-value epicenter of AI?

    Detroit didn't lose because cars stopped mattering. It lost because building them moved.

  2. Do the places that embrace the physical applications zoom ahead — the Sunbelt on driverless, the permissive states on data centers — and by how much?

  3. Which metro gains the most this decade and which loses the most, and is that a story about AI or about where the electricity and the permits are?

  4. If the work is done by models, does anyone need to be anywhere — and if not, why is everyone still moving to the same eight cities?

07

The State

States and geopolitics

Governments have been spectators for three years. The interesting question is what they do in the fourth.

  1. Which countries are genuinely players, and on what: models, compute, energy, or fabs?

  2. How far does the US government go toward centralizing or directing frontier development?

  3. Is there a meaningful US–China understanding on AI safety by 2030, and what would it cover?

  4. Do open weights get restricted for safety reasons, and does that just mean the open frontier becomes entirely Chinese?

    Restriction and the China question are one question, not two.

  5. AI sharply lowers the cost of mass surveillance. How much gets built, by whom, against what constraints?

08

The Physical Layer

The binding constraint

Every fast forecast is implicitly a claim about a supply chain that runs on transformers, turbines, and permits.

  1. Where's the binding constraint: energy, memory, fabs, grid interconnection, or permitting?

  2. Which has the longest lead time, and who controls it?

09

The Milestone

Self-sufficient AI

Start with the objection, because it's what makes the answer land. "AGI" is a threshold nobody can define the same way twice: labs organize research around it, forecasters argue timelines about it, and everyone is quietly using a different word. Ajeya Cotra's reformulation is the way out. Drop the term and forecast something you could actually check — the point at which a population of AI systems could maintain and reproduce itself indefinitely with no humans left to help. Power grids, mines, fabs, and the research to keep improving all of it. Concrete, extreme, and resolvable, which is exactly what the old question never was.

  1. How many years from here, and what's the last leg to fall — robotics, chips, or power?

  2. Does the milestone matter economically long before it's reached, or is everything in 01 through 08 decided well short of it?

  3. Self-sufficiency is a clean line. Which of the risks we actually care about sit well short of it, and does having the line help us see them or hide them?

The objection: AGI is a Red Herring ↗ The answer: Self-Sufficient AI, Ajeya Cotra ↗

Bring numbers. The point of the board is that most of these resolve: a rate, a series, a price change, a headcount, a date. Attendees are welcome to claim a cluster, or to propose the question we've missed.

03 · Warm-up

Register a prior before you register.

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Nothing is recorded; this is between you and your calibration. But remember the number: we'll ask again on Sunday.

04 · The Timetable

Four days by the water.DRAFT

Thu · Sep 10

Arrival

  • AfternoonArrivals, settle in, first swim of the weekend.
  • EveningWelcome dinner and opening circle: everyone states one forecast they hold with unreasonable confidence.

Fri · Sep 11

Sessions

  • MorningShort talks from the question board.
  • AfternoonLake, kayaks, walks; arguments continue on the water.
  • EveningForecasting workshop and campfire.

Sat · Sep 12

Deep work

  • MorningWorking groups on the harder questions.
  • AfternoonOpen time; optional hike.
  • EveningLong dinner and calibration game night.

Sun · Sep 13

Resolution

  • MorningBrunch and closing forecasts: what did the weekend change your mind about?
  • MiddayDepartures.

This is the shape, not the schedule. The full timetable is being calibrated and will land here closer to September.

05 · Register

2030 is coming either way.
Spend a weekend getting ready.

Attendance is by invitation. Email with your length of stay and any dietary restrictions. Rooms are free, so just get here.

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